I think I need to CLARIFY my position re Sundance and his “reveal”

Where to begin, look, those of you here KNOW my history with SD, we have MAJOR issues.  I openly battled him on his site on issues of Q, the “small group” and the plan. So much so he BANNED me, without so much as a warning.

Yes, it pissed me off, yes I think he was and IS too full of himself for his OWN good, YES I think A LOT of the things he posts are to narrow, and flat WRONG. As you may know, I was spurred by the ban to do my OWN research, and what I found allowed me to write my book, The Cabal’s List. Yes, some is even based on my conversations with SD and others on his site, I even CREDIT one whole section TO Sundance, as his research dovetailed with mine and was SPOT on.

Now, that caveat being said, I do NOT dispute a premise by SD that Weismann RAN the Mueller Special Counsel. I do NOT even dispute that the Cabal USED Page, and set him up via Clinesmith as an “agent of a foreign power”  I further do NOT dispute that Wolfe, Warner, and the entire SSCI were corrupt, leaking, and obfuscating the TRUTH of the Page FISA and the LIES to the FISC Court.

I further do NOT dispute that the Cabal via Weismann and the Special Counsel tried to HIDE the lies, obstructing justice, while at the same time were trying to entrap Trump IN an obstruction trap.

ALL of that rings TRUE.

 

The PROBLEM I have, is ONE the METHODS SD used to get his info out there, AND the impugning of BOTH Barr and Durham in the process.  SD’s reasons for SOME of the hype he created by suggesting a deadline, a negotiation and even a BRIBE to keep quiet are HIS to bear, not mine.  I think it was journalistic SUICIDE.

What it DID though was NOT kosher.   It allowed the refocus on Page as THE predicate, as the Cabal have ALWAYS tried to insinuate.  It ALSO allowed the Cabal to SMEAR the integrity of Durham AND Barr by insinuating that Durham was a FEINT it diminishes ANYTHING that Durham DOES.  Insinuating Barr or someone from his team was in a “negotiation”, and even intimated a BRIBE diminishes BARR, his  integrity, his MOTIVES, and ANYTHING he MAY do.

That is something the Cabal have been TRYING to do since Barr ended Mueller, and REVEALED Durham.  It was most CERTAINLY NOT a MAGA thing to do, even IF the motives were “pure” to spur action.  There are and were OTHER ways to do it, but that is SD’s burden now, he will have to deliver or SUFFER the consequences.

IMHO Durham, Huber, Bash, and yes MORE are ALL part of one big ginormous STING.  YES they have to be separate AND “compartmentalized” Because DURHAM is not “doing anything” on ONE part of the sting, DOES NOT mean that there is not ANOTHER hidden US Atty that IS working on the SC.

Durham may well( Read IS) working on ANOTHER part, likely the FOREIGN spies at the HEART of this. There are OTHERS most likely looking at CONGERSS, Others looking at STATE, and still others looking at the SENIOR WH personnel, and THEIR roles. There are LIKELY others looking at the MSM, Clinton, the NSC, Ukraine, and who KNOWS what else. Look at as one BIG banquet, they ALL have a “dish” to prepare to COMPLETE the banquet. To OPENLY insinuate, and ATTACK a single PART of this is NARROW minded, and DANGEROUS.

WHY attack Durham? HE is NOT, let me repeat that NOT the HEAD of this total investigation. IT has ALWAYS been BARR.

Durham is part of a TEAM, just because we do NOT yet see the other members, does NOT mean they are NOT working toward the particular GOALS. as DURHAM is. WHO announced the Clinesmith indictment? Was it DURHAM? NO., it was BARR. Does THAT mean Durham is NOT working, HELL NO, it just means this MAY or MAY NOT be part of HIS area of responsibility. Perhaps the OTHER person that is being threatened to be “outted” IS WORKING on the SSCI, and the PAGE FISC debacle. WHAT purpose does OUTING anyone have?

Ah, now you SEE, it does not PROVE that Durham is NOT working, it ONLY outs someone who WAS working, in secret, on the PAGE part. Counter productive, narrow minded, STUPID. It ONLY distracts, undermines Durham , the yet unnamed Atty, AND Barr.

My other problem is that the focus on Page is a SMALL part, the MIDDLE of the scheme, and it DETRACTS from the beginning.

Let me explain using FACTS, not supposition.

I maintain that this Russia gate SCAM was ALL initiated by Obama, and he used A VAST conspiracy involving the Federal Govt and her Intel Agencies, Congress, Foreign powers, foreign Intel agencies, foreign spies, the MSM, and other political players to further that.  I believe the dossier was created FOR him by Nellie Ohr, using OUR NSA database, and WH senior officials to unmask the info on All his political opponents, especially Trump.

I believe the original scam “snowballed” out of control, it became a MONSTER, feeding on its self, a monster that had to KEEP being fed to be kept alive. One lie begat MANY, and then as Trump continued to win, they became more and more reckless trying to “get” him, and LAWS were broken in the process. When they REALIZED sometime in July, that Trump very likely not only COULD win but WOULD win, they became DESPERATE to cover up and hide the original lies while at the same time STILL attempting to STOP Trump.  When Trump won, during the lame duck, those efforts were ramped up to a criminal probe to try and entrap Trump by all the ILLEGAL info they gathered from ILLEGAL surveillance and setups on Trump and his team.

Imbedded holdovers like Comey, Yates, Rosenstein, Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe, and others were DESPERATE to hide their crimes FROM Trump, so the set about removing the TWO people who COULD have discovered and STOPPED the coverups, Gen Michael Flynn, and AG Jeff Sessions.  Both were removed or recused within the first few weeks of the new Trump admin, allowing the scam to REMOVE Trump either by indictment or Impeachment ramped up.  All to cover THEIR crimes AND the sources and methods USED to commit those crimes.

This was NOT a SMALL group, it was VAST and encompassed ALL of the US Govt, and foreign powers and spies.  The MSM and even Congress and its LEADERSHIP were IN on the scam, either directly OR by NOT doing anything to STOP the lies.

It was wide ranging, multifaceted on MANY fronts from DOJ, FBI, SC, Congress, MSM, CIA, WH, State, NSA, Fission GPS, DNC, the Hillary camp and acolytes, Five Eyes, and especially FOREIGN intelligences and SPIES from the UK to Australia, Italy, and New Zealand.

This is WHY the Clinesmith indictment is BIG. Clinesmith leads to Priestap, Priestap leads to McCabe, McCabe leads to Comey on THIS track (DOJ/FBI) I am SURE that there are State tracks, WH tracks, FISC tracks, MSM tracks, NSC tracks, CIA tracks, NSA tracks, and foreign intel tracks, ALL heading in their own lanes but SOON to be ALL TIED together to get to the TOP of the conspiracy.

Much like I believe the investigation is compartmentalized to avoid ONE error bringing the entire sting down, I believe the Cabal used compartmentalized groups to coordinate their scam, working independent of each other, BUT sharing info AND all based upon ONE predicate.  Each compartment both enabled and JUSTIFIED the other, and ALOS gave “legitimacy” to the CENTRAL core, and THE predicate, the Dossier.

EVERYONE had a handler, from Brennan to Halper on, Mifsud and Tawill, with Papadopolus their mark. to Kerry with Nuland and Winer on Chalupa and Yovanovich, with Manafort their mark. From Comey to McCabe to Strzok, Priestap, Baker, Page, TO B Ohr and his contacts with Steele and Simpson, with Trump, and validation of the dossier using all the others as their mark, they were the CONTOL group. to Simpsons contacts on Vesletskayia with Don Jr and Manafort as their marks, perhaps even Kushner too. . From Clapper to Pelosi, Schiff, Warner, Feinstein, McCain, to Kramer with dissemination throughout  Congress as their objective. . We also have the FISC connections with Strzok, Comey, and Rudolph Contreras with Page, Papadopolus, Trump, Manafort, Flynn, and retroactive justification their goal. . Then we have the SUB contacts like Simpson and Steele to the MSM, along with Blumenthal who were used to push the preferred narrative to the masses and make the LIE seem true.

Then it gets to the cross contacts between agencies like Steele, Simpson, Bruce Ohr, Halper, Clapper, McCain and the gang of 8 as combined they all were in on it, enabling it, expanding it, and making the lie a political weapon, and TRUE.

Then we have the FOREIGN connections with Brennan, Five Eyes, Downer, Halper, Mifsud, and GCHB These were used to add foreign intels as the “whistleblower”. They were used to setup Papadopolous, TWICE, to make him the ORIGINAL predicate, one Adam Schiff revealed in his Nunes counter memo,.  It was that reveal that screwed the original Carter Page timeline, and WHY they are STILL trying to get focus BACK on him.   Recall the GCHB head RESIGNED the DAY AFTER Trump won…WHY?

Page is a PLANT, maybe an unwilling or even unknowing plant, he was NEVER charged, and het HE was supposed to be THE predicate, even though he came WAY after all the other setups.  They DID redirect off of him when the FISA abuse came out, and for the Nunes memo, they ALSO did when Page’s REAL service to Sechin and REAL employer, the CIA, became known.  Page was a US intel SPY, not a foreign spy. They USE Page when necessary to redirect AWAY from the beginning AND the dossier.  They DEFLECT away from Page when HIS providence and the Dossier is highlighted.

Then it gets REALLY interesting because we have the COC, the WHITE HOUSE and Obama to Power, Rice, to Nellie Ohr. The TRUE command and control, and Obama was aware of it ALL and kept up via his PDB.

There ARE nexus points, points which will PROVIDE NO cover or deniability. ALL leading BACK to what I believe is THE predicate for it ALL, the dossier. THAT my friend as I have ALWAYS said, leads RIGHT to Obama. “In the END they ALL had only ONE Boss, Barack Hussein Obama.”

We KNOW that Simpson DIRECTLY “handled” Vesletskayia, BEFORE and AFTER the June 9th Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr. Simpson also USED to be a reporter, so you KNOW he fed or “verified” info to people like David Korn and Michael Isikoff, who “outed” Carter Page.

See, There were MANY “handlers” in this ALL given the same predicate in the dossier, Trump was helping a “compromised” Trump defeat Clinton by “cheating” Laughable at BEST. Putin would have MUCH preferred Clinton, she had PROVEN corrupt, and was a KNOWN easy mark…cough…Uranium One…cough. Then there is the pay for play foundation.

Trump was a WILD CARD, and he has done NOTHIND but SMASH Putin since 2017.

It was ALL a BIG FAT fabricated LIE. a LIE initiated BY the dossier, NOT Carter Page, as SOME intimate. THERE IN lies my PROBLEM.

Carter Page was a LAST ditch hail Mary to TRY and justify the dossier allegations, and make ALL the PREVIOUS spying justified and “legal”.

See ALL their OTHER attempts from Manafort, Papadopolous, Cohen, Flynn, Don Jr, had FAILED. ONLY Page had ACTUAL ties to an ACTUAL Russian, Igor Sechin. That is WHY Page (the PLANT) was INSERTED into the Trump campaign. The FACT that they LIED and used Pages’ CIA work FOR the US AGAINST Sechin, and turned Page into an “agent of a foreign power, is BAD, and IS a part of this.

The MUYOPIC view is that Page was THE impetus and Predicate is LUDICROUS, as THEN there was NO reason for ALL the OTHER stuff that happened BEFORE Page was even ON the Trump team. Papadopolous, Manafort, and Don Jr ALL happened BEFORE Crossfire on Jul 31 2016, and that is WAY BEFORE Page was even HIRED.

The Cabal KEEP trying to redirect to PAGE, ignoring the FACT that even on HIM, it was the DOSSIER that was the predicate. IF that was true of Page, what do you THINK was true of ALL the others BEFORE him? What was even used to START Mueller? That is right the DOSSIER. What did Mueller use as a roadmap?  The DOSSIER.

Page was a VICTIM, YES, but SO were the OTHERS. WHAT was the LEGAL justification FOR THEM? There WAS NONE, the TIMELINE has ALWAYS been SCREWED UP. Page was FISA’ds IN OCTOBER of 2016, WELL AFTER Crossfire began. RETROACTIVE JUSTIFICATION for ALL the stuff that happened BEFORE it was LEGAL (via Crossfire) to DO SO.

I may have been explaining this wrong, if so I apologize. This is NOT supposition, this is NOT speculation, this is undisputed FACT. Page was the LAST one, besides Roger Stone, and HE was just used to justify what they were doing to Assange, and to silence him.

This whole thing is a PART of the big pie. I AGREE that Weismann RAN the SC. I AGREE he was looking for an obstruction TRAP, I AGREE, he suppressed evidence, obstructed justice, AND he covered up the CRIMES of before. I AGREE they TURNED on Page and USED him. But, PLEASE, keep in mind, Carter Page, of ALL those accused, NEVER saw ONE day in Jail, and was NEVER even charged, making him, in MY view, a PLANT, a MEANS to an end, the end being to get “legal” surveillance on the Trump camp, PROSTITUTING his former work FOR US, against him.

Their MISTAKE was using the REAL predicate, the dossier to DO IT.

ALL the focus on THIS IGNORES the beginning, and puts sunlight on a PART of the scheme, but not the IMPORRTANT part.

See, if ALL the articles, interviews, hype, and FOCUS was on the SCREWED up timeline, ALL the REST falls APART. WJAT did they HAVE as a predicate BEFORE Page? NOTHING but the dossier.

ALL we have seen and CONTINUE to see is to HIDE its providence, PERIOD. Because they KNOW it ALL leads to Obama DIRECTLY.

Yes what is being exposed on Page is important, but it is NOT THE keystone, and IMHO, it does NOT help MAGA, it ONLY redirects focus where the Cabal WANTS it, to PAGE, because HE rights THEIR timeline, even IF the dossier was used against him there too. See, they have managed to MASK that. NOW where is the focus? Clinesmith, what did HE do. He LIED about Page’s work FOR us. WHAT did that lie enable? It enabled the Cabal to USE the dossier and Pages contacts to LABEL him as an agent of Russia. WHAT did THAT feed or enable? It enabled a “legit” surveillance FISA to be USED on Page, and HOPPED to everyone in the Trump campaign, People like Papadopolous, Manafort, Don Jr, Flynn, Sessions, Cohen, and TRUMP himself. What did THAT do?
It retroactively made ALL the previous spying ON those people SEEM legal and “justified”. It EVEN made the DOSSIER seem LEGAL and TRUE, allowing IT to be USED as the roadmap BY Mueller and Weismann.

AH, NOW you may see, what I have seen.
See, I really am NOT attacking SD, I am attacking the WRONG focus.

THE focus should be on the dossier, and ITS providence.  ANYTHING that leads to it is GOOD, anything that directs AWAY from it is BAD.

I believe the TRUE Cabal weakness is the timeline, I would START with Papadopolous and Manafort. We KNOW they were set up via foreign spies, and LIES.  We KNOW that there is exculpatory evidence for BOTH.  We also KNOW that they ALL happened ILLEGALLY, before Crossfire, and BEFORE Page’s FISA mad it all “legal” Durham discovered this in Italy, and in Ukraine with Barr.  I would HARDLY call that a feint.

 

The FEINT, even though it is a PART of the big scam, is Page. He was a PLANT, and I will believe that until it is PROVEN he was not. IF one were to focus on Page’s part of the scheme, it would be THAT and the dossier predicate part, NOT the SSCI leak and coverup part.  Even the Weismann coverup is but a PART of the whole, a SMALL section as they have and still ARE covering up the entire mess. We KNOW that. WHY?  Because Trump TELLS us, He HAS since 2017,  “They SPIED on my campaign, and they got CAUGHT”

Now we need to know HOW, WHO, and WHY.  Page is a PART, the coverup is a part, Mueller and Weismann is a PART.  We need MORE parts, not infighting, distraction, or “stunts”  FACTS.  Let SD concentrate on Page, we need someone on the timeline, THAT tears the whole scheme down.  Attacking an investigator or his PART is foolish, and RISKY, it empowers the Cabal.

 

Let Durham and Barr do their part, we ARE close now. Attacking them gains NOTHING. I have NO problem with info being dispersed, I ONLY have problems with anything that may further impede JUSTICE.

 

I would appreciate your thoughts!

26 thoughts on “I think I need to CLARIFY my position re Sundance and his “reveal”

    1. TY, I have now convinced you along with my self. ONLY 330 million to go or so LOL. I truly BELIEVE what I wrote, my research indicated it, nothing, so far has detracted from it. Did you read my book when I put it up? Perhaps I need to again.

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      1. No quite.

        I have ALWAYS thought Page was CIA and said so on the Other Tree house with info to back up my claim. The fact that he was NEVER CHARGED just adds to it.

        The only quibble I have is I think President Trump was a ‘Person of Interest’ to OH!Bummer as soon as he started looking into OH!Bummer’s birth.If what Crazy Maxine Waters and Millie said is true OH!Bummer AND THOSE BEHIND HIM have been spying on us since 9/11 and probably before.

        I think 9/11 was ‘allowed’ or even set-up to get people to accept the Patriot Act and Grope-N-Fly.

        It is a continuum which is why they call themselves ‘Progressives’ The question people should ask is WHAT is the ultimate goal?

        People finding out WHAT Comey and his buddies have a ‘Greater Loyalty to’ I hope Shocks the he!! out of people. It is no COINCIDENCE that British Commonwealth Nations are involved in this including New Zealand with that idiotic False Flag.
        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/british-commonwealth-countries

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      2. Agreed. 9111 FORCED acceptance of either what was COMING or already in existence. As for Obama, he took it to the NEXT level, he got over his skis because he got away with it SO many times. He FINALLY ran into a person with the means AND ability to fight BACK in Trump. Trump IMHO, always KNEW Obama was illegitimate, and a planted asset. The VIGOR and ferocity with which Obama attacked Trump AND his family is why I KNOW that Obama is toast. IF Obama leads to whomever planted him (an elder in Soros, Rothschild, or Rockefeller), then THAT is ICING. Destroying their PUPPET, and EVERYTHING he did may be enough for Trump.

        It will take the elders DECADES, if EVER, to get that close again, and I think Trump can live with that. It will be VERY hard to get someone like them, he WILL get A LOT of their assets and pedo networks though, and THAT will leave them marginalized for a time.

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  1. Like, you, I’m suspicious of Carter Page. Of all the CIA or CIA-connected guys they could have used for their scheme, would they settle on a loyal patriot, stalwart and true? This is the way many pro-Trump talk radio hosts still paint Page.

    And when they could so easily find a CIA guy more pliable, who would bend in any direction they want? Would Clinesmith so easily change the CIA email* to say he didn’t work for CIA, and was a Russian spy, if he thought Page might press charges against him, and sue, some day, if the forgery were ever caught?

    *I’m still interested in HOW the CIA email about Page got changed. DoJ email systems are supposed to be set up not to allow that kind of thing, an issue many have never mentioned, or have moved away from.

    I’m suspecting a small conspiracy right there, Clinesmith working illegally with some IT character to make the change. I would look hard at visitor logs for FBI HQ or DoJ HQ the day of the forgery. Did anyone from, for example, Clownstrike or Fusion GlobalistPunkS show up that day?

    Either that, or our government has lied to us about how secure the DoJ email system is against forgery of evidence, and other tampering, as it has about so many things.

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    1. Remember Imran Awan? Would HE fit that bill? You BET he would. AS I said, Page may have went from LOYAL plant to USEFULL idiot. They TURNED on him, and then HE was expendable. Explains a LOT, as he was NEVER prosecuted. Page’s SPECALTY was infiltration and take down from within. He did NOT produce IN TIME. Remember they HAD a deadline, the 2016 election.

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    1. That reminds me. OH!Bummer is a PUPPET (and not a very good one) so WHO is above OH!Bummer and are there any tracks leading to that person(s) (NOT talking ValJar)

      I really hope when Q says ‘We have it ALL! he really means past OH!Bummer and to the REAL TOP!

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      1. Ryan is SWAMP, THAT was a message. Playtime is OVER. I am of little doubt that Obama was “placed” in the Presidency,. and he had both enablers, handlers, and a BOSS. Most likely Soros. I think the ENTIRE Russia op was Obama’s lock stock and barrel. Now, IF it leads higher to an elder like Soros, Rothschild, or Rockefeller, GOOD. But I think they were too smart to risk it ALL for Russia gate. IMHO, Obama is WAY out over his skis, hence ALL the desperation and assets deployed to HIDE him. I truly think IF it comes down to him, we may not GET to execute him, the elders will do it FIRST. Doesn’t mean I STILL do NOT want his ass prosecuted. IF it goes higher, GREAT. I would settle for one of their MAIN Manchurian candidates being exposed, and all their plays DESTROYED. It will take DECADES for them to get that close again, maybe NEVER if Trump does it right. Marginalized and defanged is almost as good as jailed for the elders.

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      2. Well, not sure exposed is as good because the American people have notoriously short memories, and most of them won’t even get it. Defanged would be good if we could be certain it could not be reversed. Execution is the only way a lot of people will begin to realize the seriousness of what was done to our country.

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      3. I agree, I am just not sure most will have the stomach for it, not even after the covid lie is exposed. In my view they ALL should hang for what they did, IF they can do that to a BILLIONARE sitting President, WHAT can they (or HHAVE they) done to you and me? I think at this point life in prison for MOST, exposure and infamy for SOME, and an even fewer part SHOULD meet the ultimate justice to as you say, MAKE a POINT, so that NO ONE tries this shit again.

        I think the message to Ryan was MENAT, intentionally, for him to run back to his masters and report, they MAY (read moist likely WERE) watching EVERY move some made.

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  2. Excellent. Got your book from Amazon about a month or so after you posted a link to it.

    The last thing we need is anyone, including SD, distracting Barr, Durham from focusing on their investigations. OR, giving YSM and D-Rats anything to doubt Barr, Durham…

    I assume SD honestly wants to help. If so, he needs to drop his ego, be discrete, feed DOJ and FIB agents information with facts to back them up.

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    1. Agreed on the distraction. I HOPE that is his intent, though I have my DOUBTS. Hey, it is Wed right? I was busy yesterday, did he post a reveal…let me guess… ANOTHER delay. Did you enjoy the book? Did you find it helpful and informative? Any questions I left that you might need answered? Just curious.

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      1. The book was outstanding. Enlightened me is an understatement. Great details and logically connected the dots. Genuinely a slow guy here, was easy to follow. 🙂

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